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The consoley interface and graphics and HUD are minor annoyances, but what really kills it for me is the lack of the skill system. 90% of the awesomeness of Deus Ex revolves around the skill system. Without it, it's not much more than a mediocre stealthy shooter.

It's a shooter with RPG elements, to be sure, much more so than Deus Ex was.

I like shooters with RPG elements though, so go me.

It reminds me of Bioshock vs. System Shock... Bioshock was less RPG, but it was a stunning game none-the-less, provided you liked shooters in the first place.

Bioshock was one of the popular shooters that I could never get into I tried maybe 3 or 4 times to play it and quit a few levels in.

Great graphics and good atmosphere but something about it just didnt hook me. I guess I didnt like the setting/environment/enemies or something.

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This is a well random question...

Set your minds back to when Intel just released the P166 and the P200 MMX processors...

They were working hard to push the MMX extensions, and had a few games taking advantage of them. The main one was POD, which to this day, I still love! The other though, as far as I remember was a Star Wars FPS game, I thought it was part of the Dark Forces series, but apparently it wasn't.

Can anyone remember what it was? Or if I'm completely off the ball and it wasn't Star Wars, what was it? It didn't look particularly good as far as I recall, it looked more like Doom than Quake, but I can't remember what it was!

The only Star Wars FPS game not in the Jedi Knight series that I know of is Shadows of the Empire, which was a horrible, horrible title.

The only Star Wars FPS game not in the Jedi Knight series that I know of is Shadows of the Empire, which was a horrible, horrible title.

I really liked that game... the opening sequence with the battle of Hoth was really cool!

I keep thinking the game is Dark Forces, though obviously that was much older. I wonder if Intel did an MMX enhanced version?

Aside from the horrible interface, utter gutting of skills/augs/inventory systems that made DX1 such a rewarding experience even when playing through for the tenth time, low-quality graphics (I seriously though DX1 looked better if you turned the res up and enabled TruForm) terrible (and frequent) load times... what killed DX2 for me was how 'on rails' I always felt with it. I never felt I had a choice in what I was doing. And the plot, if you'd played through the Machiavellian brilliance that was DX1, could be seen coming a mile off. I was actually glad when I finished that game, because I wanted to see the ending, but it was a real struggle to care about any of the characters in the game at all.

Bioshock was similar... too 'on rails'. No choices.

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Shadows of the Empire was a Glide title when 3dfx were struggling to get games to support it. It required a 3D accelerator. No software rendering at all. I found it late, as games go, so couldn't ever find more than the demo. I wanted to play the full game, but could never find it.

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I know P.O.D was an MMX enhanced game (it was bundled with most new MMX-capable PCs at the time in the UK) but I can't recall a Star Wars MMX launch title... :?

Shadows of the Empire was a Glide title when 3dfx were struggling to get games to support it. It required a 3D accelerator. No software rendering at all. I found it late, as games go, so couldn't ever find more than the demo. I wanted to play the full game, but could never find it.

Graphically it was really stunning at the time. I had a P120, 16 megs of RAM, and a 4mb 3DFX Voodoo and it ran very well.

The vehicle levels were great, but the 3rd person levels left a bit to be desired... and unfortunately there were a lot of them!

Still, I enjoyed it!

And I've found out what game I meant! It was Rebel Moon Rising (you can see why I thought it was Star Wars!) and there's some info on it here: http://www.mobygames.com/game/rebel-moon-rising

I think I'll give it a shot when I have some time!

That sounds like Red Faction, before Red Faction, if you know what I mean. ;)

Cool... wouldn't mind giving that a shot myself... never knew it existed.

That sounds like Red Faction, before Red Faction, if you know what I mean. ;)

Cool... wouldn't mind giving that a shot myself... never knew it existed.

I have a sad obsession with games from that era...

I got my first PC in 1996, so the games from that period are still my favorite. The likes of Screamer 2/Rally, Hi-Octane, POD, Wipeout 2097, Sub Culture (BRILLIANT GAME!).

I sadly sold a bunch of them when I thought I didn't want them anymore, but I ended up buying a few back lol.

I've got an old 19" CRT that I keep meaning to bring back from my parent's house just to connect up to my old machine to get the games looking a bit better.

I sadly sold a bunch of them when I thought I didn't want them anymore, but I ended up buying a few back lol.

I sold my entire collection in 2004 when I was "done with gaming"... got back into it a year or so later and have been buying back ever since.

Soooooo stupid.

I actually like Steam in a way because it prevents me from being that stupid again.